{"id":3437,"date":"2018-03-11T12:08:27","date_gmt":"2018-03-11T19:08:27","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/mattfife.com\/?p=3437"},"modified":"2018-03-11T12:36:50","modified_gmt":"2018-03-11T19:36:50","slug":"backdoor-iras-with-turbotax-2017","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/mattfife.com\/?p=3437","title":{"rendered":"Backdoor IRA&#8217;s with Turbotax 2017"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Ok &#8211; Turbotax 2017 has a problem with its entry ordering when handling backdoor Roth IRA&#8217;s. If you just follow the normal wizards, you&#8217;ll end up with the incorrect information for your IRA contributions either: pay too much tax or be informed you have to pay a penalty for having gone over the IRA contribution limits.<\/p>\n<p>The solution comes in several parts to get the wizard to figure out the right data. Here&#8217;s 3 major pitfalls I hit:<\/p>\n<ol>\n<li>If you do automated imports of statements from your financial institute, or you simply enter your IRA contributions\/transfers to Roth IRA on page 1\/&#8217;Wages &amp; Income&#8217; section of your federal taxes BEFORE you enter the &#8216;Traditional and Roth IRA Contributions&#8217; section on the &#8216;Deductions &amp; Credits&#8217; page 2, then it often calculates your backdoor Roth IRA incorrectly.<\/li>\n<li>Double-entry and confusion around the word &#8216;contributed&#8217;. You only &#8216;contributed&#8217; to a traditional IRA. You didn&#8217;t contribute to your Roth IRA, you transferred money to it. This can lead to overpayment.<\/li>\n<li>Confusion about conversions and recharacterizations. They seem interchangeable, but are very different tax terms that result in massively different calculations and even severe penalties if done wrong.<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<h3>Solutions and information:<\/h3>\n<p>There are number of write-ups on this topic, but here&#8217;s the ones that helped:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Forum entry that <a href=\"https:\/\/www.bogleheads.org\/forum\/viewtopic.php?t=238984\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">describes the entry ordering problem and how to get Turbotax to calculate things correctly<\/a>\n<ul>\n<li>Bottom line, you have to first tell Turbotax you contributed to your traditional IRA (it will tell you it&#8217;s non deductible),\u00a0then\u00a0import the 1099-R and tell Turbotax you converted to a Roth.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/thefinancebuff.com\/how-to-report-backdoor-roth-in-turbotax.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">How to report backdoor Roth IRA&#8217;s in Turbotax<\/a>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/thefinancebuff.com\/backdoor-roth-tax-return-made-easy.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Master page<\/a> for how-to&#8217;s in TaxAct, H&amp;R Block and Turbotax<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.irs.gov\/instructions\/i8606\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Federal site on the 8606 form<\/a> that might prove helpful with some of the definitions between conversions and recharacterizations.<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/ttlc.intuit.com\/questions\/3582070-backdoor-roth-ira-contribution\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Turbotax&#8217;s response<\/a>, that is sort of helpful<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<h3>Checking your 8606 form<\/h3>\n<p>Once you&#8217;ve done the steps above, you should verify the generated 8606 form is correct. Have Turbotax generate a PDF with the worksheets and find the 8606 form. Here&#8217;s a site that has a great, and complete, <a href=\"https:\/\/thefinancebuff.com\/the-backdoor-roth-ira-a-complete-how-to.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">description of backdoor Roth IRA handling shows you what your 1040 and generated 8606 forms should look like<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Ok &#8211; Turbotax 2017 has a problem with its entry ordering when handling backdoor Roth IRA&#8217;s. If you just follow the normal wizards, you&#8217;ll end up with the incorrect information for your IRA contributions either: pay too much tax or be informed you have to pay a penalty for having gone over the IRA contribution limits. The solution comes in several parts to get the wizard to figure out the right data. 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