{"id":8627,"date":"2023-04-17T18:48:00","date_gmt":"2023-04-18T01:48:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/mattfife.com\/?p=8627"},"modified":"2023-04-17T14:34:25","modified_gmt":"2023-04-17T21:34:25","slug":"argonne-labs-and-the-hunt-for-red-october","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/mattfife.com\/?p=8627","title":{"rendered":"Argonne labs and the Hunt for Red October"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"640\" height=\"212\" data-attachment-id=\"8628\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/mattfife.com\/?attachment_id=8628\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/mattfife.com\/wp-content\/themes\/mattTheme\/headerimgs\/2023\/04\/composite-1607125475.jpg?fit=980%2C325&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"980,325\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"composite-1607125475\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/mattfife.com\/wp-content\/themes\/mattTheme\/headerimgs\/2023\/04\/composite-1607125475.jpg?fit=640%2C212&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/mattfife.com\/wp-content\/themes\/mattTheme\/headerimgs\/2023\/04\/composite-1607125475.jpg?resize=640%2C212&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-8628\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/mattfife.com\/wp-content\/themes\/mattTheme\/headerimgs\/2023\/04\/composite-1607125475.jpg?w=980&amp;ssl=1 980w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/mattfife.com\/wp-content\/themes\/mattTheme\/headerimgs\/2023\/04\/composite-1607125475.jpg?resize=300%2C99&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/mattfife.com\/wp-content\/themes\/mattTheme\/headerimgs\/2023\/04\/composite-1607125475.jpg?resize=768%2C255&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/mattfife.com\/wp-content\/themes\/mattTheme\/headerimgs\/2023\/04\/composite-1607125475.jpg?resize=604%2C200&amp;ssl=1 604w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">One of my favorite movies was The Hunt for Red October. In it, Sean Connery plays a Soviet sub commander in control of a nearly silent intercontinental ballistic submarine. Its silence comes from a hypothetical magnetohydrodynamic drive that had no propellers. But this was all fiction, wasn&#8217;t it?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">When I was in high school, our science team took a trip to Fermi lab and Argonne National Laboratories up near Chicago. I was captivated. I still remember the discussion on subatomic particles by the Fermi lab speaker and seeing some of the devices such as the <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Tevatron\" data-type=\"URL\" data-id=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Tevatron\" target=\"_blank\">Tevatron<\/a>. I still remember him talking about plans for an even larger collider being planned in Europe (hint, they built it).<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">At Argonne labs, we took another tour. At one point, we went into one of the large warehouse labs and there was a giant circular machine. The guide told us it was, in fact, an <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.popularmechanics.com\/military\/navy-ships\/a34878023\/jet-ships\/\" data-type=\"URL\" data-id=\"https:\/\/www.popularmechanics.com\/military\/navy-ships\/a34878023\/jet-ships\/\" target=\"_blank\">experimental magnetohydrodynamic drive<\/a>. He shared some interesting anecdotes about the device. It turns out, <a href=\"https:\/\/onepetro.org\/ISOPEIOPEC\/proceedings-abstract\/ISOPE94\/All-ISOPE94\/ISOPE-I-94-182\/26362\" data-type=\"URL\" data-id=\"https:\/\/onepetro.org\/ISOPEIOPEC\/proceedings-abstract\/ISOPE94\/All-ISOPE94\/ISOPE-I-94-182\/26362\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">the principles were sound<\/a>. By creating a gigantic magnetic field one could indeed introduce thrust from salt-water passed through the center of it. If you want to make one, it is not complex and there are even YouTube videos demonstrating small devices.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The biggest problem? It wasn&#8217;t very fast, and you needed a GIANT magnetic field. It also didn&#8217;t work in fresh water and had a variety of other limitations and caveats. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The Japanese experimented with the technology as well and there were numerous prototypes developed. They also ran into the same problems but it did advance the field a bit by using smaller and more powerful superconducting magnetic systems to introduce the field. It works fairly well on a small scale, but pushing something as large as a transport ship or ballistic missile submarine was untenable. Not much has happened since those days as the physics of the system simply don&#8217;t work out &#8211; though <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.theregister.com\/2017\/10\/27\/chinese_navy_silent_magnetic_propulsion\/\" data-type=\"URL\" data-id=\"https:\/\/www.theregister.com\/2017\/10\/27\/chinese_navy_silent_magnetic_propulsion\/\" target=\"_blank\">China recently announced their experiments.<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Still, it was absolutely fascinating to see something that was on movies and hinted at as secret technology in person. I think it was a big part of what got me interested in science and led me to computer science years later. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">There has also a lot of suggestions that The Hunt for Red October book, <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/slate.com\/culture\/2013\/10\/the-hunt-for-red-october-movie-revealed-classified-information-about-u-s-submarines-because-tom-clancy-knew-his-stuff.html\" data-type=\"URL\" data-id=\"https:\/\/slate.com\/culture\/2013\/10\/the-hunt-for-red-october-movie-revealed-classified-information-about-u-s-submarines-because-tom-clancy-knew-his-stuff.html\" target=\"_blank\">publish from a nobody salesman via the Navy Institute Press, contained then-classified secrets, and happened at the same time of several strange submarine incidents was actually a ploy to signal certain messages to the Soviet Union<\/a>. Since Tom Clancy recently died, we may never know for sure. But it <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Project_Azorian\" data-type=\"URL\" data-id=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Project_Azorian\" target=\"_blank\">wouldn&#8217;t be the first time this has happened<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Links:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/onepetro.org\/ISOPEIOPEC\/proceedings-abstract\/ISOPE94\/All-ISOPE94\/ISOPE-I-94-182\/26362\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">https:\/\/onepetro.org\/ISOPEIOPEC\/proceedings-abstract\/ISOPE94\/All-ISOPE94\/ISOPE-I-94-182\/26362<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>One of my favorite movies was The Hunt for Red October. In it, Sean Connery plays a Soviet sub commander in control of a nearly silent intercontinental ballistic submarine. Its silence comes from a hypothetical magnetohydrodynamic drive that had no propellers. But this was all fiction, wasn&#8217;t it? When I was in high school, our science team took a trip to Fermi lab and Argonne National Laboratories up near Chicago. I was captivated. 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